>> they have put this law in place, "we won't have lobbyists in the white house." they kept making exceptions. they -- there have been a number of people who they have waived that rule for. but ultimately, i think what's happened is more on the other end. you said people leaving the white house to go right to k street. you've had people leaving the white house going right to goldman sachs, going right to bp, going right to citigroup. i mean, some of the biggest corporate nemeses in this administration in the first term are now being staffed at the highest levels by people who were staffing the obama administration at the highest -- >> peter orszag, who was obama's -- >> -- director of management and budget director. now at citi. >> high level at citi. jake siewert who was a chief counselor to tim geithner, secretary of treasury -- they were doing all kinds of battle with goldman sachs during the first term, especially after the financial crisis. jake is now the head of communications for goldman sachs. i mean, you -- >> and so, many of them have a connection to som